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Popular author and wise woman Patsy Clairmont turns the table on Dinner Conversations co-host Mark Lowry as she interviews him about his life and asks the big question, “What do you fear?” Don’t miss a single episode of Dinner Conversations — subscribe below! 


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Mark: When you asked me if I would want Patsy Clairmont to interview me I thought, wow, what a great, ‘cause you know she’s so smart.

Andrew: Yeah, she is smart and wise.

Mark: Asks great questions, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. She asked me what I was afraid of. What a great question. What do you fear?

Andrew: Yeah. I loved it because someone grilled him.

Mark: Yeah, it was good.

Andrew: Well, I love this conversation, and I love these two people. So there’s one seat left for you.

Mark: One seat left at the table.

Andrew: So let’s join the conversation.

Producer: And it’s yours.

Andrew: And it’s yours. So one seat left at the table, and it’s yours.

Mark: You need me to do that part?

Andrew: No.

Mark: Okay.

Andrew: So there’s one seat left at the table, and it’s yours. So let’s join the conversation.


Patsy: I have a thousand questions.

Mark: Really?

Patsy: Just a thousand questions for you.

Mark: Oh my, I love it.

Patsy: You are so funny, and I wore my thankful shirt today to say thank you for bringing such a legacy of laughter for so many years.

Mark: Oh.

Patsy: You have been so consistent in your offering, and that’s why so many people love you I’m sure. Not only that you have an amazing voice when you sing and you have written unbelievable songs, but you’ve made us laugh. There’s nothing friendlier than sharing a positive emotion, and you’ve created it in every space you’ve ever stepped in. So, from all your people through my lips, thank you.

Mark: You’re welcome.

Patsy: Thank you.

Mark: Thank you.

Patsy: It’s been lovely. Now, I’m known for fear. Wouldn’t you know it? I’m known for fear, and here’s what I want to ask you. What scares you?

Mark: I think that people would really know me. I’ve always thought if you knew me, you really wouldn’t like me. Even when I was little, I guess that… ‘Cause even the more I get to know me, it scares me a little bit, you know. And that I think humor most definitely was my tool to protect myself but also to get attention ’cause I wasn’t the handsome one. My brother was a model, he did modeling in town, and then I show up with a water head. And I knew I would never be… He was real good in sports, and so I was sent to a psychiatrist in third grade because I was so hyperactive and so much trouble. But I really wanted to make people laugh. I loved… It connects you, it deflates any tension that might be in any room. Humor, and honest humor, especially if it deflates an elephant in the room, is a wonderful tool.

“Humor, and honest humor, especially if it deflates an elephant in the room, is a wonderful tool.” – Mark Lowry

Patsy: It chases the awkward out of the air when you got a group of strangers and they’re not sure they’re glad to be there. Suddenly when they share the emotion that you’ve helped to create, they feel a little more comfortable and a lot more safe.

Mark: Right.

Patsy: So it is a gift that you’ve given. It’s always been a gift within you. Right?

Mark: I guess, I don’t know. I didn’t mean to get into humor. The Lord literally, in 1977, when I was at Liberty Baptist College, on my bunk one afternoon the Lord spoke to me and said, “Why won’t you do what I want you to do?” And I said, “What’s that?” I mean it was almost, it wasn’t audible, it was much louder than that.

Patsy: I understand that.

Mark: And I was praying and having this discussion with the Lord, and I said, “Well, what do you want me to do?” No, I said, “I’ll do anything you want me to do, and you know that.” This is the first time we’ve ever had this discussion. Really the first time we’d ever had a discussion that I can recall or really since. And he said in my spirit, even if it means go in to music. ‘Cause I thought that was something you did as a child. I’d had a recording contract when I was 11 with the Benson Company in town, which is a whole other life and a whole other story. So I thought that was something you did as a child. Now it’s time to grow up, get a job, have a wife and 2.5 children, and support missions. That was my goal to be a business man. So I go to Liberty to study business, and the Lord, I wasn’t in any chorale, I didn’t audition for any singing group, I didn’t care if I ever sang again. It was that was then, this is now, right? And I said, “Okay, I’ll do it, but you know, this is your idea, you get the word out.” And I put out a fleece to make sure it was the Lord ’cause I’d heard that works.

Patsy: It does.

Mark: And he answered it that night, and  he not only answered it, which was simple compared to what he did the rest of that week. Jerry Falwell passed me in the hallway, “Sing on TV Sunday.” Charles Hues walked up and said, “Will you be my singer?” He was the evangelist, the big time evangelist, in school who traveled every weekend, and immediately within a week I was booked up through the end of that year and have not been unbooked to this day.

Patsy: Wow, wow.

Mark: And then the humor came. Let me tell you, had the Lord said “I want you to go into comedy,” I would have found myself in the belly of a whale. I would’ve run.

Patsy: Run so fast.

Mark: ‘Cause it was never my… I still do not consider myself a comedian and shiver when I’m called that, which I’ve learned to accept it, but I’m not.

Patsy: Wikipedia says you are.

Mark: And that’s fine. I mean, they gotta label people. it helped the record label when I signed with Word to know what I was. You know, they got to label you something and that’s fine. I don’t care. It’s a tool. To me, it’s just a tool, and it’s a tool that comes easy for me. That’s how it started. And then we were in a van wreck, which became a story I told on one of my early albums called Pivot on Your Good Foot and Walk Back To Me. That’s what the nurse kept saying when my good foot was broken. But that’s a whole… You know, every horrific thing I go through is a good 20-minute material when I’m done. So that’s the reason on the motorcycle wreck, which you can Google it if you haven’t – Mark Lowry motorcycle wreck.

Patsy: I’ve heard it.

Mark: On the way down, I told myself, don’t go to sleep, don’t miss this. Because I knew something was gonna happen. You know, I’m going down face first without a helmet. First of all, I hope I live to tell myself how stupid that was. But anyway, so I know to pay attention when the sh-woo-ooo hits the fan.

“I know to pay attention when the sh-woo-ooo hits the fan.” – Mark Lowry

Patsy: Sh-woo-woo.

Mark: Mm hmm.

Patsy: Nice word.

Mark: That’s the Christian way of saying it.

Patsy: I see. Well, you have a lot of fun words that you use and capture people. And I still remember at Women of Faith when you did the Sandi Patty thing with the wig.

Mark: Oh, yeah.

Patsy: Hysterical. And I just saw a picture of you on something with Patty.

Mark: Yeah, last night at the Gospel Music Association Awards, which I was fortunate enough to be inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2011 I think. Or a couple of years ago. I think they said 2011, but it feels like not that long ago. But anyway, so I was asked by Chonda. They induct people to the Hall of Fame, and they give an honors for those who aren’t in music but have done good things.

Patsy: Mm hmm. 

Mark: And through her Branches ministry, they honored that. And so she asked me if I would come and present it to her, so I did. And so I ran into Sandi and Evie. That was Evie.

Patsy: I haven’t heard that name in years.

Mark: I’m only 4 foot 11, but I’m going ahead. You could sing that. That makes me feel 10 feet tall. Remember that song?

Patsy: I surely do. But I thought I’d grown up past. I was still five way.

Mark: Oh, did you make it?

Patsy: And when I went to the doctor recently, they said that’s a dream of your past.

Mark: Oh, really?

Patsy: So I am headed downward.

Mark: Are you starting to shrink?

Patsy: Yes. I said, “I’m not gonna die. I’m gonna evaporate.”

Mark: Me too. These pants, look at it. See how, they used to not hang like that. I’m shrinking.

Patsy: Well, join the club.

Mark: I gotta get this hemmed up.

Patsy: But I checked and your birthday, which is coming up in just a little over a month.

Mark: I’ll be 60.

Patsy: That is entry into some of the most productive and exciting years because now you’re at an age you can choose what you do.

Mark: Exactly.

Patsy: And that adds another level of joy.

Mark: But haven’t you found it’s hard to say no when you’ve said yes for so many years.

Patsy: Yes.

Mark: But when you learn to say it, doesn’t it come easy?

Patsy: But here’s what I want to know. Does 60 scare you?

Mark: Oh, no, can’t wait.

Patsy: Good. ‘Cause those are great years. Energetic years, creative years.

Mark: Good. That’s good to hear.

Patsy: Yeah.

Mark: I didn’t know, I don’t have a clue what… You don’t know what’s coming.

Patsy: I say enjoy it. 70’s not that hot, but anyway.

Mark: Is it not? Is 70 to 80 a toughy?

Patsy: Whoo!

Mark: Really?

Patsy: Things change, we’ll just put it that way. Including your ability to keep up with yourself so.

Mark: I’ve thought about retiring. I can’t, I’m never retiring. But I am gonna sabbatical every now and then. And about every… I did it when I was 40. I thought it was over then ’cause, you know, I couldn’t think of anything new to say. And I’m repeating myself and I’m doing that now. And here’s the thing. If you don’t have a life off the stage, you’ll have nothing to talk about on the stage.

Patsy: So you’re going out for an adventure.

Mark: I am. Life is an adventure. That’s the reason I’ve never understood the thing about arrival. There’s no arrival. Now when I was young, there was an arrival. I wanted a Word recording contract. When the Lord called me, I had some goals. Never thought about being in the Vocal Band, but that was a good thing. It turned out to be very good thing.

Patsy: That was a very good thing.

Mark: But that was never a goal ’cause I didn’t think I was able or capable. And also singing was never my priority. Once I realized those audiences that I’m singing, those Independent Baptist churches that I performed for from 1980 to 1988, 200 a year.

Patsy: Wow.

Mark: Roy Morgan, who graduated the same year I did, took the BBF directory, and this guy could book a pork chop into a synagogue. He booked me 43 concerts in 41 days right out of college, and they didn’t know who I was from a hole in the ground.

Patsy: Wow, wow.

Mark: So I did that for eight years, but what I learned during that time of phenomenal honing my craft. Oh my gosh, they were great days. I had my PA system in the trunk, my polyester suits on a bar cross the back seat, my albums and my eight tracks lined up on the back seat, and my notepad right here in case I thought of something while I was driving. And I’d sometimes pull over ’cause I’d be thinking, me and the Lord. I’d just turn the radio off and just start thinking and talking to God about stuff. And get to laugh and sometimes so hard I’d pull over, and I’m laughing and I’m crying and I’m writing stuff down that I’m going to talk about that night. And it was just a wonderful time. And nobody knew me. You know, they didn’t know what to expect.

Patsy: No expectation.

Mark: There’s this kid from Liberty. Right. So I’d stand up on the first song I’d sing, In this very room, there’s quite enough love for one like you. And it’s 15 minutes on a Sunday morning. And the first song is beautiful, but it’s slow. And it’s boring if you think you’re going to have to hear 15 minutes of this. I learned to set them up that you’re about to be so bored. And then after I got through that song, I’d talk. And I talked about Miss Barth, my sixth grade teacher, which became one of my stories, and I talked about being a hyperactive kid and being on Ritalin and they would laugh. These Independent Baptists would not clap because that’s giving glory to men. They wouldn’t shout ’cause they’re afraid someone might think they’re doing it in another language. But they would laugh. And I knew they were listening. And when I could see them listening, ’cause when I’d sing, I could tell they weren’t really listening. You know, I can’t hit the high notes. That’s what they listened to. But when I talked, and so I started talking more.


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Patsy: So it’s fair to say that you’ve never been afraid of getting up and communicating in some form. Is that correct?

Mark: Well, afraid no. Butterflies?

Patsy: Oh, that’s good. Adrenalin.

Mark: Yeah, adrenalin.

Patsy: Yeah.

Mark: Wanting to say something that they can take home with them. You know, I pray every night before I go out there for, number one, God go with me, which he always does. Thank you, Lord. And that I will say something that matters to somebody, you know. That they can take that little cliche they might hear me say and hold on to. Or a song that might, whatever. These are all tools.

Patsy: Did you ever feel like you’ve failed an audience?

Mark: Yeah. Last night, probably. I should’ve taken a little more time introducing Chonda. I went too quick. And I think I didn’t do good.

Patsy: You probably did excellent. But I understand going back.

Mark: ‘Cause the night was so long, and I was thinking, oh gosh, I don’t want. I don’t want to… I want to get it to Chonda. So I went to bed kind of discouraged about that. But I rarely ever, ever. I mean, if I notice something went wrong, something really went wrong ’cause I’m not a noticer and I do not rehash the night. To me, it’s like passing the test. It’s like with the end of the school year, I’d throw my books away ’cause that was over, never to be thought of again.

Patsy: So you just let it go? 

Mark: And to me every day is a test, and most of them are pretty good and easy. Good days, or what I call the easy test, but the days you hit Shepherd Drive without a helmet, the day you get the doctors report, you know, those days? That’s when you learn stuff about God.

Patsy: Really learn it.

Mark: Yeah.

Patsy: At a deep level. Do you ever feel like you hide behind your humor?

Mark: Oh, I’m sure.

Patsy: I mean, I do, and I’m just wondering.

Mark: Sure, describe, define that.

Patsy: Well, when I feel that I’m not doing well or I’m feeling insecure or I’m afraid of a situation, I’ll make some little funny comment or I’ll tell a funny story to change the atmosphere.

Mark: But is that bad?

Patsy: I don’t know that I’m saying it’s bad. I’m just saying it can be a refuge.

Mark: Yeah, I’m sure I did growing up. Like I remember… I don’t know if I dreamed this. One of my earliest memories is I went with my brother and my mother on one of his modeling jobs in Houston. And all these beautiful kids were there, you know? But somehow, I ended up in a corner with all those beautiful kids listening to me talk, and they were laughing. And I can remember that. And I think that is probably when I realized, okay, I can fit in with this. This is my… Maybe I didn’t… I don’t think I was old enough to even think that through. I’d only been there three or four or five years. What do you know? But I remember them laughing. And I remember I liked it.

Patsy: Yes, there is a joyous thing to the sound of group laughter. I can remember hearing an audience laugh and that waft up, and I thought for this I was born.

Mark: Didn’t you, and you know, you and I both had the privilege of knowing what that feels like.

Patsy: Yes, it’s a lovely thing.

Mark: I remember when I was… My first time I was in front of 11,000 people with the Gaither Vocal Band. It was a Gaither’s praise gathering in Indianapolis that he did for years. They did for years. But it was early on. I was still auditioning for the Vocal Band, and Bill turned me loose. And it was in the round, all right. It was in the round. So the stage is here. So there’s 11,000 people facing you from every direction.

Patsy: Right.

Mark: And I tour into I was born in Houston. I was raised in a Christian home. My daddy was a church deacon, my momma was church piano player, and I was a church brat. And I went on into the hyperactive stories. And I’d never heard that many people laugh like that. And it was… And being able to time, you know the timing thing you get going. It’s like playing tennis, which I’ve never done, but I can imagine it’s like you hit it, they laugh, you hit it back, they laugh, you hit it again. It is invigorating, isn’t it?

Patsy: It is. I do coaching and I’ve been asked how can you teach someone timing and I said there’s a lot of things you can teach, timing is not one of them. It’s a listening. It’s a feeling, and you know this is the time to enter back in. This is the time to pull back out.

Mark: Yeah, and that’s why Gaither always left my mic open.

Patsy: He trusted you.

Mark: Well, I don’t know about that ’cause I crossed the line a time or two I’m sure. In fact, I can remember a couple. But he still left it open because you cannot be a second late. When the opening is there, you cannot filter it. You’ve got to trust this unregenerated brain to make sure you’re… I think I am filtering. I must be filtering because I’ve never said anything that’s really horrible that I know of, you know?

Patsy: That’s miraculous.

Mark: Yeah. It is. Well, the worst–

Patsy: For any of us. 

Mark: The only time Gaither ever got on to me was one time back in the big days, 20,000 people there, and we were in the round in Charlotte probably. A New Year’s Eve ‘cause it was a huge crowd. And I said a line because everything we did was off the cuff at one time. But if it works.

Patsy: You did it again.

Mark: You just do it again. And then if you add something to it and that works, you do it. If something doesn’t work–

Patsy: You take that out.

Mark: Yeah, there’s no rehearsal. It’s just in the moment, and Gaither forgets nothing. He can remember every setup. Sometimes the next night he’d set it up, and I’d already forgotten. That’s all I had to learn, to remember those.

Patsy: That makes me feel great.

Mark: Yeah. And so when I said something, I did a joke that didn’t go over. Can’t remember what it was. And it was crickets. And I said, “Oh well, I’ll save that for when I go secular.” Okay, and I just moved on. I mean, it was just it was so fast. It wasn’t like, ah! But in Gaither’s heart, it was ah! And he took me aside during intermission and said, “You’ve got to apologize to that crowd.” I said, “Why?” He said, “You told them you’re gonna save that joke for when you go secular.” And he said, and this was probably 1989, no 1992. So Amy Grant crossing over, everybody was still kind of sensitive towards that. You know, there’s that the church didn’t accept that real good for her.

Patsy: They didn’t know what to do with it, did they?

Mark: They didn’t, and when you don’t know what to do, do nothing. That’s the best thing you can do. Until you figure out what to do–

Patsy: Hush.

Mark: Hush. Remember, you’re the kid, He is the Father. He will deal with us. So I rared up because Bill will let you do that. I mean, I’ve stood up to him many times, and when I disagree, I can’t just go along. You know, I just can’t.

Patsy: It’s not in you.

Mark: And he has learned to appreciate that and trust it too. And I had no intentions of apologizing until I actually did it. And I was in the second half of the show. And I said, “You know what I said in the first half?” I said, “About save that joke for when I go secular?” I said, “I’m sure most of y’all didn’t even hear it.” I said, “But Bill cornered me at intermission and said I had to apologize. As a first of all, didn’t y’all know I was kidding?” I said, “Where am I gonna go? We have 20,000 people here tonight. Where do you go from here?”

Patsy: That’s right.

Mark: People Magazine asked me years ago when I was interviewed by them when I was an up and coming and everybody thought I was gonna be somethin’. They asked me do you ever want to cross over? And I said, “Yeah, if I can take the cross over.”

Patsy: Oh, sweet.

Mark: I ain’t going without Him. But I mean, I would have no intention. The world didn’t call me to this. You know, really. I wouldn’t be doing this if God hadn’t called me, and I’m quitting the day He lets me go ’cause I’m not addicted to it. I can live without it. 


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Mark: Oh yes. Well, you know, you get that after every episode. And what about this mug with our faces on it?

Andrew: What says good morning better?

Mark: It’s like, we’re on both sides, so lefty or righty, you get to see us every morning.

Andrew: You know, I think it’s time we get back to those guests.

Mark: Yeah, probably.


Patsy: Okay, I’m gonna turn this right around in a little circle and ask you this. I’m going to go back to the topic of fear. And I want to ask you, do you think that women are more susceptible to fear than men, or do you think–

Mark: The women that I’m close to, I would say yes. I call one of my dear dear, one of my favorite people in the world, my dear friend Colleen. She’s on a lot of my Mondays with Mark because we go out and eat a lot together. She’s divorced, and we’ve been friends since high school. And I call her Death Doom and Destruction, and her mother is even worse. And she’s 90. I mean, what do you have to fear at 90? Right? You’ve already outlived everything. All your friends are dead. Enjoy what you got left. What are you fearful… But they’re scared. You know, I got these scooters. They won’t ride the scooters, you know, they’re scared. My gosh, you’ve got to die of something. You know?

Patsy: Let’s make it something exciting.

Mark: Don’t you want to live while you’re here? You know, so I don’t know. What do you think? Do you think women are more fearful than men?

Patsy: I just know my own journey. And it was one of great fear, but I found that fear was my hiding place. So that was a discovery. I still had to deal with all the fears, but underneath the fear was anger.

Mark: Do you fear anything now?

Patsy: When I was a child, what I feared most was my mother using both my names. When she said Patsy Gene, I knew I was in big trouble and she was 4-foot-10-and-a-half, and you did not mess with my momma ’cause she’d get you. So that did then. Then I went into collecting fear as a hobby. Evidently I had so many, but today what do I fear? I fear… No. I can’t think of anything that particularly threatens me at this point like it once did.

Mark: Yeah.

Patsy: There’s that comparison thing. You always think back. This is where I was. This is where I’m at. I’ve come a long way. 

Mark: And don’t you find that the things you feared that never happened.

Patsy: Those aren’t the ones that I should’ve been afraid of.

Mark: But they never happened. You know, waiting for the other shoe to fall. I was waiting for everybody to find out I’m really not that funny or I really can’t sing baritone. I’m waiting on Bill to discover that I don’t always act like a Christian. Come to find out, he doesn’t either. You know, when I found out Gloria Gaither… Well, not Gloria so much. I really don’t know what. You know, I don’t know what I would say her sin that easily besets her, but I like knowing what it is. I like knowing at least everybody’s got one.

Patsy: Ooo, mine is cranky witchers.

Mark: No way.

Patsy: Yeah, I get so cranky. I just got a puppy. Do you know that people in their 70s shouldn’t have puppies?

Mark: Why?

Patsy: Well, they just don’t have the skill anymore. It’s like having an infant trapped in your arms.

Mark: Well, you’re going to keep it, aren’t you?

Patsy: I’m so in love with this puppy, but she’s sassy, she misbehaves. She bites, she barks.

Mark: No, oh no.

Patsy: She’s got so many bad habits, and I looked at her and I thought, this is me. This is me in fur. And so it has been very eye opening to see. I used to judge people who had yappy dogs.

Mark: Oh, yeah.

Patsy: And now I’ve got a yappy dog. Don’t judge people.

Mark: No, I’ve never had a yappy one.

Patsy: ‘Cause it’ll come back on you.

Mark: Yeah, I don’t judge. You know, I’m lucky ’cause Bo showed up 15 years ago. He’s still with me. Bo, my little black, now gray-headed, dog. But anyway. And then Stanley, who’s passed, found him couple years after Bo showed up eating trash behind the Walmart. Now these two dogs were street dogs, and they were the sweetest. They are. Bo still is. Kindest. And then I’ve had a couple that I bought which were Yorkies, and they were a little entitled. I think when you buy them, they have a little bigger spirit of like thinking you might owe them something. 

Patsy: Well, this one actually someone bought it, and it was so naughty she didn’t want it anymore, so I took it saying love conquers.

Mark: Yeah, right.

Patsy: I could be wrong.

Mark: You could be wrong. What kind is it?

Patsy: It is a Shih Tzu Bichon.

Mark: Anything starts with Shih Tzu you might not aught to own.

Patsy: I should have reconsidered.

Mark: Yeah. They’re like little mops running around there, aren’t they?

Patsy: They are.

Mark: They’re cute. Does she sleep with you?

Patsy: She does not. She comes up on the bed and sleeps at the foot of the bed for a while, and then I make her go to her cage and she’s so happy to get there. If I don’t send her in time, she jumps up and looks at me like, come on, send me to bed.

Mark: Oh, I love that.

Patsy: So love dogs, but what I love most in life is the people God has transformed for purposes they’ve lived out. And you’ve done that so well.

“What I love most in life is the people God has transformed for purposes they’ve lived out. And you’ve done that so well.” – Patsy Clairmont

Mark: Oh my, thank you.

Patsy: So thank you for what you bring to the body of Christ, because God has claimed it and proclaimed it to be medicine, and we live in a sick society that needs to love themselves well so they can get in touch with Jesus, the One who brings us such joy. So thank you. Thank you, my friend. This is for you.

Mark: I love you.

Patsy: A toast.

Mark: Thank you.


Mark: I can’t believe I told her all that. That little old woman asked so many questions. I’ve ruined my testimony.

Andrew: Don’t worry about it, Mark. Like you always said, no one sees this show.

Mark: Oh yeah. What was I thinking?

Producer: That’s good.

Mark: We want to thank that sweet Patsy Clairmont for being with us.

Andrew: One of our favorites.

Mark: Oh yeah.

Andrew: Interviewing you, God bless her.

Mark: Oh, bless her.

Andrew: Oh gosh, so you can find all of Patsy’s books, which will be helpful in understanding what Mark said in this episode, in the Amazon affiliate link below.

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